Episode 357
A Year in Review: Paranormal Highlights and Future Aspirations
This podcast episode delves into the reflections and anticipations surrounding the paranormal community as we transition into 2026. Our esteemed guests, Michaela Ford, from Paranormal or What? podcast and Sarah from Twinvestigate, join us to recapitulate the noteworthy events of 2025, a year characterized by significant growth and engagement within the paranormal discourse. We explore various facets of our experiences, including the impact of social media on our outreach and the gratifying interactions with our audience that have enriched our journey.
Furthermore, we discuss the importance of fostering a more inclusive environment within the paranormal sphere, advocating for diverse voices and perspectives that enhance our collective understanding.
As we look to the future, our aspirations for the coming year are vividly articulated, reflecting our commitment to furthering our exploration and connection within the realm of the unknown.
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Speaker B:Podcast with your hosts, Ash Ellis and Greg Tomlinson.
Speaker C:Hey, Ash, how's it going?
Speaker D:Very well, Greg.
Speaker D:How are you?
Speaker C:Happy New Year.
Speaker C:Although.
Speaker D:Happy New Year.
Speaker D:A week, two weeks late.
Speaker C:Two weeks late.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, it's fine.
Speaker D:It's still the New Year, so it's no problems.
Speaker C:At what point now does it become Not New Year?
Speaker D:February 8th.
Speaker D:Facts.
Speaker D:That's true as well.
Speaker C:So since the first of this year, we've just dropped the episode of Michael Selig and we've had lots of comments already and it got released today at the time of this recording.
Speaker D:Yeah, midnight this morning.
Speaker D:Yes.
Speaker C:And loads of people can't get their head around all the law of what he's saying.
Speaker C:I literally had somebody send me a screen grab of them listening to it as they do every week.
Speaker C:Hello, John.
Speaker C:And just with the mind blown emojis all the way across, so.
Speaker D:Nice, nice.
Speaker C:That was just sent to me just before we came on air, so I haven't had a chance to reply to him yet.
Speaker C:But yeah, a few people.
Speaker D:It's crazy conversation and if you don't listen to it after this one, go back and listen to last week's episode.
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker D:Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker D:The things we talk about.
Speaker D:Former fighter pilot in the US Marines, tells all about the aliens are coming.
Speaker D:So go check that out.
Speaker D:Tonight though, we've got some guests.
Speaker D: we had our UFO UAP roundup of: Speaker D: we're going to sort of recap: Speaker D:So joining us tonight, we have from the paranormal or what podcast, it's the lovely Michaela Ford.
Speaker D:And from Trinvestigate, we have Sarah.
Speaker D:Welcome, both.
Speaker D:How are you all doing?
Speaker D:Happy New Year.
Speaker A:Happy New Year.
Speaker C:Happy New Year to you guys.
Speaker D:You've both been guests quite a few times before, so, yeah, welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker B:It's lovely to be back.
Speaker A:It is indeed.
Speaker A:Been a while since we've had a lot of people on as well.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's just been you and Greg.
Speaker D:The last couple of times.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:Me and Sarah took over for a couple of episodes last year.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, we did.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's it.
Speaker A:I feel like it's the last time I think we did a big podcast with a few of us was when we were all the girls with the rest of the twinny gang and Ash.
Speaker A:I don't even know.
Speaker A:Oh, you were there, Greg.
Speaker A:Oh, wait, it wasn't last time.
Speaker A:No, it's just Ash.
Speaker D:Just me and the girls.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was indeed.
Speaker A:Eh.
Speaker C:We don't talk.
Speaker A:Don't know where you were, Greg.
Speaker C:I won't know exactly where I was.
Speaker C:I was in the dark.
Speaker B:He's not going to tell.
Speaker A:Missing out.
Speaker A:No, I don't.
Speaker A:I don't think it was that far back.
Speaker A:No, it can't have been that far.
Speaker C: In the: Speaker A:No, I thought it was 24.
Speaker D:About 18 months ago.
Speaker D:That was.
Speaker A:Can't believe it's been that long.
Speaker B:Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker A:How time flies.
Speaker D: So: Speaker D:2025 was a big year for us.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker D:Lots of stuff going on.
Speaker D:We'll cover that.
Speaker D:Some of that stuff.
Speaker D:But I guess.
Speaker D: Michaela, how was your: Speaker D:Any particularly memorable moments that happened to you or your podcast this year?
Speaker B:Well, do you know, I didn't think there were until I got my Spotify update.
Speaker B:So if any of you are on Spotify, you get this little update at the end of the year.
Speaker B:And I was rather happy, actually.
Speaker B:At the end of it, it said that my listenership had gone up 559% and that I had something like 223% more subscribers and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker B:And I thought, wow, I had no idea.
Speaker B:So that really cheered me up.
Speaker B:That made me very happy because it was a bit up and down.
Speaker B:I've had a lot of kind of health bits and bobs going on.
Speaker B:So there were times when I haven't been doing the podcast for a few weeks or a few months, and then I'd kind of burst back in and then go back out again.
Speaker B:So I didn't know how it was going to go.
Speaker B:But it turns out it was a really good year for my podcast.
Speaker B:So thank you to everybody who listens.
Speaker B:So, yeah, obviously Festival of the Unexplained was a big thing for me because due to the aforementioned shenanigans, I didn't get very far last year in visiting conferences.
Speaker B:But really enjoyed that weekend and seeing all of you lot.
Speaker B:Well, except for Ash.
Speaker B:We missed you, Ash.
Speaker D:Yeah, that was.
Speaker D:Realized that despite all the peer pressure.
Speaker B:I know, I know.
Speaker B:I realized there was.
Speaker B:I hadn't even met Greg in person before, which I didn't even realize at the time.
Speaker B:I did.
Speaker A:I was like, you sure blows my mind that you haven't met in person because I feel like.
Speaker A:Because obviously you Knew each other way before we knew each other.
Speaker A:And me and Michaela, we've met loads of times.
Speaker A:Greatly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Or it feels like it.
Speaker A:And then.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:To find out you've not.
Speaker A:Like what.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it was a good, good thing.
Speaker C:That was really cool weekend as well.
Speaker A:You'll have to come to it again.
Speaker A:As if she does it again.
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:Or whatever party we have in its stead this year there will be something, I'm sure.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:There'll be more events this year.
Speaker A:New events as well, probably.
Speaker B:And it was very exciting that right at the end of the year we started something up called the Supernatural Sisterhood.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Which we haven't actually.
Speaker B:There's been a bit of a hiatus, but I'm sure we'll be getting on that wagon again very soon.
Speaker B:And which.
Speaker B:Which was basically.
Speaker B:There's been a lot of negative negativity in the paranormal over the last few years and it's basically trying to combat that and trying to empower women who have been sort of picked on and belittled by people saying that women shouldn't be in the suit in the paranormal.
Speaker B:And for anybody who's had negative comments, because sadly, it's not just.
Speaker B:Just women that have had negativity thrown at them.
Speaker B:So it's just been something to start that's really positive and Sarah is a big part of that as well and I know you two guys will be as well.
Speaker B:So that's all to look forward to next year.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think there's going to be a big.
Speaker A:A big charge with that.
Speaker A:Hopefully this year that'll be a good.
Speaker A:A good run for us to spread that positivity about ladies of the paranormal and some men as well, because they struggle as well.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker D:Oh, I want to add to Michaela's year one of the things that is my.
Speaker D:One of my standout moments for Michaela this year.
Speaker D:It was this year, wasn't it?
Speaker D:The asap.
Speaker B:Oh, yes.
Speaker D:Yeah, the ASAP Festival.
Speaker D:You want to just quickly talk about that?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:I knew about the existence of asap and the year before, myself and Ash had been asked to speak at the conference, but Ash couldn't do it.
Speaker B:So he put together lots of information about UFO sightings in the uk and I presented it for him and it all went very well and everybody was very happy.
Speaker B:And so they asked us back last year to do some of their online conferences.
Speaker B:And so both Ash and I did separate presentations.
Speaker B:I have to say, I've never been as scared in my life.
Speaker B:Bearing in Mind, I've been a professional actress for a very, very long time, but there was.
Speaker B:There's nothing like saying your own words to make you actually poop your pants, so.
Speaker B:And it was about a subject.
Speaker B:The more I delved into this subject, the more technical and scientific it got.
Speaker B:And I wasn't actually sure if I had the wherewithal to pull it off, but somehow I seemed to.
Speaker B:It was about missing objects and this possible scientific explanations behind it, or paranormal explanations.
Speaker B:And that was amazing.
Speaker B:And Ashes was fabulous.
Speaker B:And we've both been invited back again, so that is a very exciting thing for next year as well.
Speaker D:It was great.
Speaker D:And out of the four of us, there's also someone else that gave an ASAP online webinar this year.
Speaker C:Yeah, I talked.
Speaker C:So, yeah, so that was really good.
Speaker C:That was off the back of really, well, Paramy.
Speaker C:That was off the back of Paramie.
Speaker C:Oh, Caroline come up to me and said, ash recommended me and didn't want to talk.
Speaker C:So, yeah, it was really good fun.
Speaker C:It was really good fun.
Speaker C:But daunting.
Speaker B:Yeah, because it is daunting.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:There's a lot of people.
Speaker C:There's a lot of.
Speaker C:A lot of names, a lot of subject matter experts.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:A lot of very clever people listen to that.
Speaker C:Although one guy was driving the tractor, I think, so it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, he did that a few times.
Speaker A:Didn't he, though?
Speaker A:We've watched a few of the f. Presentations and there's always finish.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe it's Jeremy Clarkson.
Speaker C:It might have been.
Speaker C:So that was.
Speaker C:That was really good.
Speaker C:That was really good.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I think I've quite got the bug with this now.
Speaker B:Having now done two, I'm thinking, oh, I'd love to speak at some other conferences now.
Speaker B:It's quite an exciting thing to do because it means the thing I like about it, being quite a socially awkward person myself, I. I was actually only three months ago, I think, diagnosed with adhd, and it's been a suspicion of mine for years and years and years.
Speaker B:And I kind of chummed along my son, because he's in the process of being diagnosed as well, and I went, oh, hang on, I do that.
Speaker B:So, funnily enough, I got my diagnosis before him, but I've always been quite socially awkward and either I say nothing or I say too much.
Speaker B:I find it very hard to gauge what to do in social situations.
Speaker B:It's really difficult.
Speaker B:And I think actually it's done my confidence a lot of good to think, because I can persuade myself quite a lot of the time that people don't want to listen to me, it's one of my kind of self confidence things, which is probably why I started the podcast during lockdown, to make people listen to me.
Speaker B:So it's been, it's actually been really cathartic doing the things at conferences because when people sit there and they nod and they kind of join in and then afterwards they go, oh, I really enjoyed that.
Speaker B:You think, oh, well, you know, maybe I have got something to say.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:I don't know if any.
Speaker B:Anybody else feels like that.
Speaker D:When I spoke at BU fog, the Birmingham UFO group and I, I brought book along and we had a break halfway through and I brought like 10 copies of your book along and literally on the break I had a queue of people literally to come to where I sat to buy my book.
Speaker D:And I sold out like straight away or 10 bucks.
Speaker D:I was like, but it must have been interesting if everyone wants to suddenly buy him a book.
Speaker D:And I was like, yeah, that's is mad.
Speaker D:Anything.
Speaker D:I actually, this.
Speaker D:This went well actually, when you think about it.
Speaker A:Yeah, that sounds amazing.
Speaker A:Imagine that we don't get that kind of.
Speaker D:I wish I bought more.
Speaker D:I left a load of money.
Speaker B:Next time bring it through.
Speaker C:Last year as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Spoke at.
Speaker A:Oh, we've.
Speaker A:We have done.
Speaker A:I can't even think of the ones we've done now.
Speaker A:The biggest one that we've.
Speaker A:That I remember obviously, because it was like one of the last ones.
Speaker A:We did Parachat and we did Festival on Spook and Spirit Fest and that was last year.
Speaker A:Not last year, the year before.
Speaker D:Not yet.
Speaker A: I think that was: Speaker A:No.
Speaker B:Oh no.
Speaker A:Maybe that must have been 23.
Speaker C:24.
Speaker C:It was 23.
Speaker A:It's 23 at the end of 23.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know, exactly.
Speaker D:I literally thought that was.
Speaker A:That's how I felt about the podcast when we all did it with the girls.
Speaker A:I was like, God, that can't have been that long ago.
Speaker A:But I've done the talks in.
Speaker A:In a different.
Speaker A:So we've done.
Speaker A:We don't.
Speaker A:The reception that we get.
Speaker A:Obviously I say understandably.
Speaker A:It's not understandably, but we find it very difficult to find our place in certain groups and they find it very difficult to accept our place in certain groups.
Speaker A:And we did one talk with twinnies that was very psychology based about pink and the color theory that we have about pink and how it either changes our perception or our reception and how we.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It sort of.
Speaker A:We don't get taken seriously and all of that.
Speaker A:Anyway, that one didn't go down amazing because we were subsequently left off a review of the whole weekend.
Speaker A:As you're, as you, you know, Michaela, it's all been squashed and sorted now.
Speaker A:But it just goes to show you that, that we don't even know we do our serious discussions, just the fact that we wear pink, it doesn't even, it just completely goes over people's heads and they, they just don't take it in.
Speaker A:So the next talk that we did was just about us and our captures and how we have fun.
Speaker A:And we didn't really do anything scientific.
Speaker A:We just said, this is who we are, this is what we do, this is what we've captured.
Speaker A:Make of it what you will.
Speaker A:And it went down so well.
Speaker A:And we grew quite a, a bit off the back of that kind of talk.
Speaker A:But I feel that I love that stuff.
Speaker A:I love being in Twinnies and I love the pink and love being different and fun and bubbly, because I am fun and bubbly and different and that is my personality.
Speaker A:But there's so much more in my brain and like, I like to think deeply about things.
Speaker A:I love psychology and I love the science behind things.
Speaker A:So we did a talk of do as well as beyond our ordinary, on our theory that we've got.
Speaker A:And I love stuff like that.
Speaker A:But I just, in the pink, it would never go down.
Speaker A:But in, in our normal clothes, it went down okay.
Speaker A:I struggled to find that line because I am two different people in one.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker A:The brain doesn't match the clothes and my clothes don't match the brain as such.
Speaker A:Does that make sense?
Speaker A:Like there's just a very blurred line to me.
Speaker A:So the talk go down a bit, hit and miss, depending on which personality I'm showing it.
Speaker B:Do you know what really just brought something to mind?
Speaker B:Oh, when I was, was younger, I was, and I still am, I guess I just read so much, I think I kind of wore myself out.
Speaker B:I was mad on Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker B:I was really interested in her as a person now.
Speaker B:She had an IQ that was higher than Albert Einstein's and they were together at a dinner one night and I don't know if this is just, you know, an apocryphal story or if it's true, but she, she was talking to Albert Einstein and she said, you know, with my looks and your brains, we could have awesome babies.
Speaker B:And he said, no, with my looks and your brains, we could have awesome babies.
Speaker B:And what, I guess what I'm trying to say is I, I, I'd love To know the reason why I dye my hair crazy colors.
Speaker B:I think it's just because I want to be seen and I almost kind of want to piss society off.
Speaker B:I'm a middle aged woman, I'm a teacher and I've got pink hair and it, people sometimes just can't cope with it at all because I don't fit into the box that, you know, I'm meant to be a serious teacher.
Speaker B:Why, why have I got pink hair?
Speaker B:So I think that I, I think you should try again with, with the pink.
Speaker B:Don't split yourself in two.
Speaker B:Just be yourself, be who you are.
Speaker B:Don't be two people.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, screw everybody else.
Speaker B:And the more, you know, you've got a lot to say, you've got intelligent things to say that will win over the pink thing because it does make quite a lot of the time once people realize that you've got things that matter to say they, they kind of see beyond the pink.
Speaker B:So I would, I would really say try not to let it worry you even though it's really annoying.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think we've been, we've been, we're like two years, no, we're not nearly three years in now and we're still working out where exactly we need to be placing ourselves and not, not to try and find a place.
Speaker A:But there's so much we want to do with it that it's very hard to find a place because we are in some form entertainers but we are also investigators and we like doing talks.
Speaker A:I love the psychology.
Speaker A:Emma loves like the live streaming as well.
Speaker A:And it's like, it's just very difficult to find that because no one really does it.
Speaker A:But I think it sets people on e a bit of sense of unease that with these sort of girls in bright pink jumping around and bopping about in a, in a haunted location that has always been seen.
Speaker A:Paranormal investigation has always been quite a serious subject, quite a scientific approached thing, if that makes sense.
Speaker A:And, and we've come in and just set people's nerves on edge a little bit.
Speaker A:Like what is this mix of what are you doing?
Speaker A:You don't belong.
Speaker A:And I think no one's really seen it before and it's just locked the boat a little bit.
Speaker A:And it's very hard to place ourselves because we're figuring out what we want to do.
Speaker A:We'll never lose the pink, we'll always be hot pink, but it's working out where we're going to place ourselves, what works for us.
Speaker A:And we're in a bit of a tricky time with that, really.
Speaker B:Don't apologize for yourselves.
Speaker A:No, it is interesting, though.
Speaker A:I do think the pink does play a large part of it, but I think it's because it changes us when we wear the pink.
Speaker A:But yeah, that was, that was nice.
Speaker A:She was like, don't explain.
Speaker A:You just do you.
Speaker A:And everyone says you just do.
Speaker A:You just.
Speaker A:We love you, girls.
Speaker A:Just do you wear the pink, do whatever.
Speaker A:But it's very difficult when you care so much about your audience, because your audience, we make no secret the fact that we want to grow.
Speaker A:So the people that are going to help us grow are our audience.
Speaker A:So we care about what they think because they will help or hinder us.
Speaker A:So it's very tricky to not care.
Speaker D: eg, what's your highlights of: Speaker D:Yeah, we've all given lots of talks as well.
Speaker C:Yeah, we did.
Speaker C:And it's something that me and you.
Speaker C:It was the first.
Speaker C:And me and Sarah had done.
Speaker C:We done our first talks together.
Speaker C:Me and Ash done our first talk together, although we do things separately.
Speaker C:And that, that's one of the.
Speaker C:The bits that I've.
Speaker C:I've also enjoyed last year was the fact that we, we, me and Ash work on the podcast.
Speaker C:We.
Speaker C:We go and do our separate things, come back together, do things together, and then we do separate things because of the distance plays a big part, because we're like two and a half, three hours away from each other, so we've had to do it.
Speaker C:But our talk at Parachat, I absolutely loved doing that.
Speaker C:It's the first time me and you had done a talk together.
Speaker C:And like you said, Michaela, when people start interacting with you during the talks and then you can you get sort of feedback on the podcast.
Speaker C:You don't really get feedback until Spotify wrapped or somebody sends you a message.
Speaker C:You get no feedback whatsoever on is the episode Good, Bad, indifferent?
Speaker C:It's been great to do those.
Speaker C:And then me and so the whole of last year was just a whirlwind of growth.
Speaker C:I think we started beyond our ordinary.
Speaker C:Me and Sarah.
Speaker C:Me and Ash started doing live streaming on TikTok and during the last year, we.
Speaker C:We've massively grown on TikTok.
Speaker C:For us, we're massively grown.
Speaker C:The podcast has grown.
Speaker C:We're doing talks both together separately.
Speaker C:And then me and Sarah are doing the beyond our ordinary stuff together, which has massively grown and started off as one thing right at the beginning of the year and then ended the year and we're doing talks about our theories on the paranormal and the communication with loved ones and how we can strengthen, strengthen that and doing experiments that we ran a workshop at Spooks and Spirits Fest that Ash was involved in.
Speaker C:We've got our devices out there.
Speaker C:We, the podcast is people talk about getting approached all the time by people wanting to come on a podcast with different stuff.
Speaker C:So this Michael Selig one that we, we launched last week was a subject we've, I don't think we've ever spoken about.
Speaker C:We've been on the fringe of the, the conversations with other guests about off planet bases and stuff like this.
Speaker C:But this was a whole nother, this was a whole nother thing.
Speaker C:And somebody so highly decorated in the military during Desert Storm and as a, as a fire pilot.
Speaker C:So the year started one thing and it's kind of ended where we're in a stronger but different position to where I thought we were at the start of the year in a good way.
Speaker C:We're doing talks.
Speaker C:I talked at festival which is something I never thought was going to happen.
Speaker C:And then that's led on to two further talks last year with Sarah and with Ash.
Speaker C:So it's just been, been a phenomenal year I think really for all of us.
Speaker C:And I got to meet you Michaela.
Speaker C:So that was another highlight of the year.
Speaker A:And our devices, I can't believe our Boo devices, another highlight is that they're in the hands of some of the biggest names on social media as well.
Speaker A:Which is like a little achievement because you don't I think just selling them to those people that are out there who are giving us exposure.
Speaker A:It is exciting.
Speaker A:It's really like, it's a little achievement really.
Speaker A:So I was really proud of that.
Speaker A:That's one of the big Boo moments.
Speaker C:But yeah, no, that, that was, that was.
Speaker C:And it's mad to say I even had my daughter say she's like 20 and she said that she'd seen a particular social media star who's not paranormal.
Speaker C:Well, he is, but he isn't using the device.
Speaker C:And she's like, I can't believe he's got one.
Speaker C:I said yep.
Speaker A:So our device in the wild.
Speaker C:Devices in the wild picked up by non paranormal people.
Speaker C:So that's been mad in itself.
Speaker C:And then we now like some of the stuff that we've been doing with Boo is allowing us to go to other locations that we might not have done before.
Speaker C:Like me and Ash, we like some of our TikTok stuff.
Speaker C:And I mean that's all changed since we first started with people gifting and all this kind of stuff certainly during the middle of part of the year that allowed us to then pay for locations to do more live streams from those locations.
Speaker C:So to have that kind of, I don't know, see all the hard work that everybody's been putting in because I know podcasting is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker C:Live streaming definitely is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker C:And, and we started that live stream journey off when I come up and stayed at Sarah's following my operations.
Speaker C:And then we started going out and then going up and down the country and Ash is going out in Manchester, I'm down in Oxfordshire doing live streaming.
Speaker C:Then Sarah's coming up and down and we're doing live streams all over the place and meeting up, going to all these crazy places like Delamere Forest.
Speaker C:We've had some like insane live streams from, from Delamere, both as a group of us for Lee and as Paz and.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C:I mean I, I couldn't have imagined how the live streaming sort of took over.
Speaker C:No, a lot of it.
Speaker C:And whilst it did die down sort of over the last month or so, just Christmas and cold weather we've got.
Speaker C:So me and Sarah got two things booked in for this weekend.
Speaker C:Whenever this goes out, it might have been last weekend, the joys of podcasting and continuity.
Speaker C:Then Ash, Sarah, me and Emma are going to 30s drive at the end of January and doing like a live stream videoing and whatnot there for the night.
Speaker C:So it's just, and that's just in the first month of the year and we, we found an amazing new location down south.
Speaker C:We've got loads of.
Speaker C:And because we live stream so much and have been, we.
Speaker C:It's forced us to find new places of interest and I've learned so much about the paranormal, about UFOs, about burial grounds, about long barrows.
Speaker C:What a long barrel ring.
Speaker C:I never knew what long barrow was until I visited one and I found out what it was and it's fascinating.
Speaker C:And there's these long barrows all over the place, especially down where I am in Oxfordshire and Wiltshire sort of area.
Speaker C:And I'm like, who even knew what they were until we started live streaming?
Speaker C:I've learned loads of history about.
Speaker C:We went to a church the other week, me and Sarah, and it turns out that one of the saints, it was the, the people that carried this saint across Oxfordshire, they were actually buried, allegedly buried underneath this particular church.
Speaker C:And we managed to get in the church after being prompted by Ash and others and the door opened at like nearly midnight and we were in this church, 13th century artwork all over this church.
Speaker C:It's like if at the beginning of last year, and I don't know about the rest of you guys, but at the beginning of last year if I said this is what, what's going to happen to you this year on your paranormal UAP journey, I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker C:I wouldn't have believed it.
Speaker C:And it'd be like.
Speaker A:We have seen some mad, some mad places this year and I think we, even for us, our livestream journey as people call it, we never really livestreamed like we do now.
Speaker A:And the beginning, the first half of last year was huge for like finding these locations.
Speaker A:We've seen like we've gone to the Roman villa, we found these abandoned villages, these churches that are like half a mile off the road.
Speaker A:The long barrow was about half a mile walk into nothing just to get to that.
Speaker A:And it was one of the most amazing places, one of the most like sacred, spiritual, creepy places.
Speaker B:I really want to come up to Delamere Forest.
Speaker B:I've been promising and promising and then never got round to it.
Speaker B:We, we need, really need to make proper arrangements this year now Ash and I want to come and see your basement before you move out.
Speaker D:All right.
Speaker D:It's still there.
Speaker B:We need to get things in the diary.
Speaker B:This is the year of the diary.
Speaker B:It's got to happen.
Speaker A:Yeah, we were saying we've got to have a basement visit before you move out.
Speaker A:We need to.
Speaker A:It's been a long time since we last went.
Speaker B:Definitely after this we need to all send our available dates and we'll pick a weekend and we'll say right, we're going to come up, Michaela's going to bring a sleeping bag, going to go to Delamere Forest and we're going to do ash's basement.
Speaker C:Yeah, 100% definitely.
Speaker B:Good.
Speaker C:So while you're talk, while you were just talking about your basement, Ash.
Speaker C:What.
Speaker C:What about your year in review?
Speaker D:What?
Speaker C:I know I, I spoke a bit about our podcast bits but what about for you?
Speaker D:Yeah, I mean the talks and TikTok stuff obviously you managed it all go over that too much.
Speaker D: ard cuz we not really used it: Speaker D:We want to sort of go hard on Tik Tok.
Speaker D:We posting every day and stuff and it what we sort of wanted to happen happen.
Speaker D:We see massive growth on there.
Speaker D:We started doing the lives which is just crazy.
Speaker D:I said the last couple months it has slowed down.
Speaker D:I've been waiting for it just to stop raining.
Speaker D: out firstly but sort of plans: Speaker D:So I'll be doing them over the next few weeks and stuff but aside from the talks and that which are always good we've got a few lined up for 26 as well and.
Speaker B:Doing.
Speaker D:More TV stuff is always interesting.
Speaker D:I went out with Danny Moss on the and Harry and Dan on the panel Round trip.
Speaker D:Round trip part of a road trip.
Speaker D:My haunted road trip.
Speaker D:My God, I can't think what it's called.
Speaker D:My haunted road trip in Cannock Chase cannot Chase is one of my favorite places ever to go.
Speaker D:When he asked me to come along to that I was like I'm 100 going to kind of Chase to do an investigation with my hearty project guys.
Speaker D:That was really great.
Speaker D:That was it.
Speaker D:Yeah just do more talks doing the Tick Tock stuff and doing some more TV stuff.
Speaker D:So I like to see the behind the scenes stuff and having good chats with like sort of learning from people like Danny and stuff who have got production stuff and learning from there that we then put that stuff into my own or into the podcast stuff as well as this behind the scenes stuff is always interesting to see why I like doing the sort of the more TV based off.
Speaker D:Yeah and now sitting in.
Speaker D:Yeah I think that's pretty pretty much covered everything going to new venues.
Speaker D:Priest Cottage has been probably become probably my favorite place to go so far.
Speaker D:When he opened up in like June or something we one of the first people to go and investigate it.
Speaker D:Greg and I and I've been.
Speaker D:I've been four or five times this year just because I love the place.
Speaker D:We've had stuff happen every single time mad stuff happened.
Speaker D:Captured some amazing evidence there.
Speaker D:I've even been looking at gotten off over January I was like just the quid for all night.
Speaker D:I think I'm just telling just to go on my own every afternoon just spend the night there on my own one day this month we've been that cheap 60 quid to private high of the whole night is just insane insane value for money stuff like that.
Speaker D: And yeah so I guess that was: Speaker D:Who shall we start with?
Speaker D:Who has something ready?
Speaker D:I guess maybe let's start with something you'd like to see the back of in the paranormal.
Speaker D:Anybody wanna wanna start?
Speaker D:Oh I can start.
Speaker D:So my one and having now watched a lot of tick tock lives just to kind of learn for other people ones that are doing good see what other people do well see what we don't like what other people doing to sort of try and develop our own TikTok lives and may or may not agree with this one but.
Speaker D:But one thing I don't like seeing or I personally think I. I just don't like it is the apps.
Speaker D:It seems that everyone seems to have Spirit Talker Necro Phonic.
Speaker D:Oh and the worst one for me I hate it and if you disagree, disagree with me.
Speaker D:But the ghost spirit.
Speaker D:What's it called?
Speaker C:Spirit DLS.
Speaker D:Xl sls sls.
Speaker D:That's the one.
Speaker D:I hate that thing.
Speaker D:I hate it.
Speaker D:And I also hate the fact they charge so much for it and it's literally just an Xbox connect and a tablet attached to it and a rig.
Speaker D:I hate that app.
Speaker D:And at least if you see someone using it I'm like I'm.
Speaker D:I'm scrolling off it.
Speaker D:I'm.
Speaker D:I hate, I hate it.
Speaker D:So yeah apps because think especially things like Spirit Talker, Necrophonic.
Speaker D:It's just the fact that everyone uses it and it's like they're standing behind you stuff like that and comes through.
Speaker A:And it's a bit gimmicky, isn't it?
Speaker D:Yeah, yeah, it's true.
Speaker D:I mean yeah, you want to do for entertainment.
Speaker A:I was just gonna say it depends for me what what context it's it's in because you have the crowd of people that don't actually know what paranormal investigation is.
Speaker A:They just want to be scared.
Speaker A:And so those kind of acts, I'm not against them for entertainment purposes but I wouldn't use them to guide and solely guide an investigation.
Speaker A:Like absolutely not.
Speaker A:I wouldn't.
Speaker A:I would use them but just purely for the entertainment side because that's what you do on a live stream.
Speaker A:You have to keep people engaged and watching but not like for a serious investigation.
Speaker A:However that being said, when we were using.
Speaker A:We went with said person who is no longer in our friendship circle, to an event.
Speaker A:Not an event, to a private hire at house at Cries.
Speaker A:And we were using one of our Word bank devices and obviously it wasn't long since Mum died and it came through Emma and Sarah on our device, on the Boo device and then immediately after on the spirit talker.
Speaker A:Mum.
Speaker A:And we were like, but obviously we're piecing that together because of the situation we're in.
Speaker A:But I was like, for that.
Speaker A:Some things do come through that tally up really interesting.
Speaker A:Like Larry.
Speaker A:We got Larry through on the app.
Speaker A:On the phone.
Speaker A:Sorry.
Speaker A:On the app and the device at the same time.
Speaker A:At Keith.
Speaker A:The underground streets.
Speaker A:And that's never happened before.
Speaker A:And I know there's an element of a device listening.
Speaker A:Your phone could have listened, but when does that happen, really?
Speaker A:So it was interesting.
Speaker A:So I do.
Speaker A:I do agree it's got to be used with a pinch of salt and not solely on its own.
Speaker A:It can have some interesting results.
Speaker A:But it's purely entertainment really, isn't it, to engage someone to watching it.
Speaker D:With the SLS and stuff as well?
Speaker D:Because they.
Speaker D:I think it's also why things like cat balls are quite popular because they give results.
Speaker D:Visuals so you can always read off it.
Speaker D:Yeah.
Speaker D:So you got like the sls.
Speaker D:Oh, there's a person stood.
Speaker D:There's a figure stood there or whatever.
Speaker D:It's like.
Speaker D:No, it's just a chair that you're putting out.
Speaker D:But like it gives it instant results and it gives positive results.
Speaker D:So, oh, the cat was moving.
Speaker D:Or they've got this word coming through.
Speaker D:Or I've got a figure that's coming through.
Speaker D:And yes, last is something I say visual.
Speaker D:That's theirs.
Speaker D:It looks like something has happened.
Speaker D:Whereas the countless hours you spend when nothing happens obviously doesn't make no tick tock.
Speaker D:Live entertainment.
Speaker D:Because people want to see something happening.
Speaker D:And that's so why I get why people go to them.
Speaker D:Because they know they're going to get something from it, regardless of whether you just know something's going to happen when you use them apps or those programs, which is, I think, the reason why a lot of people do like them.
Speaker D:But when you decide to scroll through 10 lives in a row and do all.
Speaker D:Got the spirit talk.
Speaker A:Yeah, spirit talker on their iPad, stationary in front of the camera and then the camera's just to a blank room with a REM pod and a REM bear and a cat ball.
Speaker A:And that doesn't engage me.
Speaker A:You want faces and movement and you need to constantly be.
Speaker A:When you're on Alive, I think you do need to move that camera to your face, to other faces, and not like quickly swishing, but you need to change it.
Speaker A:It's like the scene changes in our YouTube videos, change the angle, even if it's the same scene, because your attention span can't focus on one thing for very long, but it'll focus on the same event if you're changing the angles.
Speaker A:So it's like that with a live stream, but just.
Speaker A:It's boring just to watch a room.
Speaker A:So, yeah, I completely.
Speaker A:I do, I agree with the whole.
Speaker A:I wanted to see the back of those kind of lines.
Speaker D:Who's next for what you want to leave behind in the power?
Speaker B:I'll go.
Speaker B:This may be a bit controversial, but.
Speaker B:Oh, sorry, the frog in my throat has leapt up in that time.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:I would like to see less of, of people being mean to each other.
Speaker B:I think in the paranormal there are so many diverse opinions and people need to have a bit more of a live and let live attitude and not jump down other people's throats because they don't believe exactly the same thing.
Speaker B:And also, what I'm getting on my soapbox now while we're on it, you know, nothing's definite, nothing's definitive, that not much has been proven about the paranormal or life after death.
Speaker B:So I really want people to stop stating things as if they're fact and then getting angry with other people for, for not believing it.
Speaker B:No, it's like this.
Speaker B:I know because I saw this and I know for a fact that ghosts are blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker B:Nobody knows anything for a fact.
Speaker B:It's all open to interpretation.
Speaker B:And I think people just need to chill out a bit, really.
Speaker B:And also one thing I really disagree with is people hawking their political opinions on their paranormal channel.
Speaker B:That really gets my giddy goat, shall we say?
Speaker B:And I think, you know, if you've got political opinions, great, but put it on a different, you know, Facebook page to the one where you do your paranormal stuff.
Speaker B:I've, I've had to, shall we say, thin out some of the people I'm friends with on Facebook.
Speaker C:I know one particular you might be talking about.
Speaker B:Because I just thought I'm.
Speaker B:I can't concentrate on the paranormal with this person because all, all I can hear is their political opinions, which are very different to mine.
Speaker B:And that's fair enough, but I just really wanted to talk about the paranormal.
Speaker B:So, yeah, stop.
Speaker B:Everybody just stop being horrible to each other and, and stick to the subject instead of trying to change.
Speaker B:Change everyone's minds about your politics.
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:So, yeah, I think.
Speaker B:Anyone else.
Speaker A:Yeah, Well, I think of the one thing I would not see the back of, but would like to see change or not happen is more diversity in these events.
Speaker A:More diverse speakers.
Speaker A:You tend to see the same events.
Speaker A:And don't get me wrong, I love all the events.
Speaker A:I go to them all and I'll put all the events, but I want to see a bit more diversity.
Speaker A:I want to see the back of this kind of like same lineup every year of the same speakers, because you need to get to know the new names or the people that are a little bit different, who are a bit niche.
Speaker A:And at festival this year, there was a guy called Em and he was really interesting.
Speaker A:He's never, you know, as.
Speaker A:As we know.
Speaker A:We all were all there, weren't we?
Speaker A:But it was really interesting and I thought he's new and different and like that.
Speaker A:That's something that people would, Would, Would love to hear.
Speaker A:And instead we get the normal, you know, I'm not pointing any fingers, naming any names, but it's always the same mediums, the same psychologists, the same historians and they're great, but it's all the same.
Speaker A:It's nothing new.
Speaker A:And I'd like to see a bit more diversity.
Speaker A:I am a bit tired of the same lineups to everything all the time.
Speaker A:There's a new event going on from a small team are running and the names.
Speaker A:The same speakers are popping up and it's a great.
Speaker A:It's great.
Speaker A:But I just want to see a bit more diversity within the paranormal, really, to be honest.
Speaker B:Well, I wonder if Emrys is listening because I have bugged and bugged and bugged that young man to come on my podcast and he said he would and then he's gone quiet like manifesting.
Speaker B:Have you on.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:I'm gonna start bugging him again.
Speaker B:Watch out, Emerys.
Speaker B:I'm coming.
Speaker B:I'm.
Speaker B:I'm gonna bug you till you come on again.
Speaker A:We'll have to say, Emrys, if you're listening to this, you have to inbox us with the word banana and then we'll know that you've listened.
Speaker A:But yeah, that's what I'd like to see.
Speaker A:The back of is the same.
Speaker A:The same speakers all the time.
Speaker A:A lot.
Speaker A:Throw.
Speaker A:Throw us a new bone.
Speaker A:Like it'd be interesting just to hear someone else.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker D:Over to you, Greg.
Speaker C:Such a long list.
Speaker C:Such a long list.
Speaker C:But the main one for me, I think, and it sort of echoes what Michaela said about I think just letting everybody do their own thing even if you don't agree with it.
Speaker C:And I'm guilty of this offline.
Speaker C:I'll speak to Sarah.
Speaker C:I'll like you said this.
Speaker C:Why are they doing this?
Speaker C:And I think to myself, oh my God, what.
Speaker C:What am I like?
Speaker C:There are channels people that like as.
Speaker D:A group.
Speaker C:We probably wouldn't.
Speaker C:You wouldn't interact with certain people just in your daily life.
Speaker C:So why do I get mad and I say mad in the.
Speaker C:In the loose but why do I frustrated and annoyed watching stuff when I can quite easily scroll by not even be bothered by.
Speaker C:Why does it.
Speaker C:Why do I let it get to me or shouldn't so.
Speaker C:So some of the be nice and let everybody do their thing and do be in their own lane is self reflection for me.
Speaker C:And I think from a personal point of view I just need to let people do their thing even if I can see their motives, I can see their how do I frame it.
Speaker A:Intelligence.
Speaker C:That their growth isn't.
Speaker C:That their growth isn't entirely naturally crude followings, if you see what I mean.
Speaker C:This is very easy to buy followers.
Speaker C:It's very easy to inflate your numbers.
Speaker C:But when the views or likes and stuff like that don't seem to tally up with how big your channel is, those kind of things really grind my gears.
Speaker C:And he shouldn't and I should go, you know what, you do your thing, I'll stay on the other side and do my thing.
Speaker C:But and that's a self reflection thing and I think that made me a happier person.
Speaker C:And so that, that's my bit.
Speaker C:Get rid of the, get rid of the negativity not from others.
Speaker C:Because there are a lot of negative things in the paranormal as we all know and we witness online social media.
Speaker C:There's been some horrible stuff happen over the latter end of the year which we've all been touched by to some extent in terms of me witnessing it being other people being affected.
Speaker C: But I think: Speaker C:We have a very diverse posting.
Speaker C:We, we're very diverse on our podcast guests with it's not just paranormal, it's UAP cryptids.
Speaker C:We speak to a little clue for last week's episode Reptilian elites that run the world.
Speaker C:Which is stuff that we, we haven't spoken about before do we.
Speaker C:We speak about all sorts of stuff and we, we, I think we pride ourselves in that.
Speaker C:But I need to stop judging other people.
Speaker A:Protecting your peace, I think is the word that you're just gonna protect.
Speaker C:Protect my peace.
Speaker C:Yeah, protect my peace.
Speaker A:Put your walls up where you need it and just protect your peace.
Speaker C:And scroll by, scroll by, scroll by.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker D:And then I just want to quickly add something.
Speaker C:I was gonna say a lot of other people that could do with doing the same.
Speaker C:There's a particular channel, I'll tell you offline who they are.
Speaker C:She's got a lot of hate.
Speaker C:A lot of hate.
Speaker C:And she could do a.
Speaker C:Just scrolling by and I think everybody could.
Speaker C:If everybody just scrolled by the people that they don't like, everybody would be calm.
Speaker C:So just sorry, sort of just sort.
Speaker D:Of leaving the negativity behind.
Speaker D:Bit of the tongue in cheek stuff.
Speaker D: So: Speaker D:Greg straight in with his hand up.
Speaker C:Like to see positive growth for all my paranormal friends.
Speaker C:So you guys just seeing people grow.
Speaker C:Not necessarily numbers, but grow as people opportunities.
Speaker C:I think it's a little because I've seen the last year where we've been like fully invested in social media, the paranormal making equipment, testing theories.
Speaker C:We up and down the country all the time we're out doing lives, just seeing like podcasting.
Speaker C:And like I say, Michaela, podcasting is a proper grind.
Speaker C:Trying to get guests and doing it on your own, all hats off to you because that is even more of a grind.
Speaker C:But just growth, people growing that, that we see the fruits of our labor.
Speaker C:People outside of the paranormal off social media don't realize how.
Speaker C:And I, we.
Speaker C:I've spoken about it before, people don't realize how much of a.
Speaker C:A grind it is.
Speaker C:And I say that in terms of the effort you have to put in to get an episode out or a live stream or a social media post or whatever you're doing to get that out is like a full time job getting guests for the podcast nightmare, trying to find new locations to live stream, trying to come up with different ways of doing stuff, analyzing all the data that's available, which isn't massive.
Speaker C:TikTok's been good for that because it's instant and you can see the, the growth and if you're doing something wrong and the numbers drop off on the live stream, you can.
Speaker C:Something needs to change or whatever.
Speaker C:And I've learned a lot about our growth on TikTok and late I see that not to get disheartened when for the first half an hour there's only 10 people watching our live because at an hour mark I don't know why it is at an hour mark it ramps up.
Speaker C:I don't know why.
Speaker C:So it takes a while for our algorithm to get going and it's just discussing things with people and I just want to see growth for my friends and knowing the effort that it takes to even just get to a certain level and doing stuff is effort.
Speaker C:So that's me.
Speaker C:Sorry, that was a bit of a ramble.
Speaker D:Nice, nice, nice.
Speaker D:Who's next?
Speaker A:I don't mind.
Speaker A:I'll just add on to the back of what.
Speaker A:What Greg said is that I agree.
Speaker A:I'd like everyone to grow.
Speaker A:We've created a little sort of circle in the latter half of this year that's full of lots of our paranormal friends and I'd like to see them succeed personally.
Speaker A:And by personally I mean like Twinnies.
Speaker A:I would like to see us do more YouTube again.
Speaker A:We're trying to pick the YouTube back up.
Speaker A:I'd like to get into some more venues we haven't been to and I'd like to.
Speaker A:I personally would like to put into win and do more magazine articles because I did like two, two of them in 23 and the beginning just 23.
Speaker A:I did two magazine article and I loved it and I've got so much I want to say and write about and all of that.
Speaker A:I would like to pick that back up again and I don't know, maybe this is that of like a book about something what that is, I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe we can put telephone line theory into a book.
Speaker A:Greg.
Speaker A:But yeah, I don't know the list.
Speaker C:Of everything else we're going to do.
Speaker A:Exactly all these things.
Speaker A:There's so many things that I want to do and obviously I want Twinnies to grow and we again we make no secret of the fact that we would love it to be sustainable.
Speaker A:As in it pays for itself and it already kind of does.
Speaker A:We book venues off the back of the.
Speaker A:The money we're in off tick tock.
Speaker A:But I would like it to be a bit more.
Speaker A:To give us a bit more and for us to grow a bit more.
Speaker A:I want to hit that 10k mark and again I'm not ashamed to say it.
Speaker A:I would love to grow, love to monetize a little bit more.
Speaker A:So our hobby that we love doing is.
Speaker A:Is sort of self funded.
Speaker A:Who wouldn't love their hobby to be self funded really?
Speaker A:So yeah, that's what I would like.
Speaker A:Rolls all over really.
Speaker B:It's gonna sound like more of the same now.
Speaker B:So to add on to what Greg and Sarah said, all that and then.
Speaker B:Yeah, I'd like to.
Speaker B:I've.
Speaker B:I've been a bit more.
Speaker B:I wouldn't say scared, a bit more reluctant with all the social media stuff just because I'm doing it by myself, which is hard.
Speaker B:I'd actually really like to maybe collaborate with somebody this year so that I'm not doing it all myself.
Speaker B:Although it is hard because it's kind of my baby that I've had for six years and it would be hard to share it, but I'd really like to.
Speaker B:I think I've got to a point where I'm just doing the same stuff now.
Speaker B:And even though it's really interesting, obviously having the interviews, it might be fun to share that load with somebody and have someone else's perspective.
Speaker B:I'd love it to be somebody who lived within an hour of me or something because it's quite bizarre that ever since I moved down south, all of the paranormal action seems to be up north.
Speaker B:You say that feeling, it is such a long way as well, you know, I'd love to come and see you guys more.
Speaker B:I'd love to.
Speaker B:What I really want to do is I want to go to more venues, as Sarah said, and I want to.
Speaker B:I want to do lives, I want to do YouTube, I want to do Tick Tock.
Speaker B:I want to collaborate with somebody and I want to be able to do.
Speaker B:You know what I'd really like?
Speaker B:I'd like, you know, like the.
Speaker B:What's it called?
Speaker B:The, the Scooby Doo Machine.
Speaker B:What's it called?
Speaker B:The Mystery Machine.
Speaker B:I'd like to have a paranormal or what camper van and I'd like to have my.
Speaker B:Some collaborators and I'd like to kind of not.
Speaker B:Not doing what the, the Haunted Project do but, but just being able to get to places, you know, to different venues and do different investigations instead of being stuck in one little area, which I am at the moment.
Speaker B:So I guess if I was to encapsulate all of that, it would be to collab.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To collaborate and get out more and take the podcast more out into the rest of the country.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think that's what I'd like to do and, and see more paranormal people.
Speaker A:I love the socials that we do.
Speaker A:I love, I love Parami purely for the social side because I find it's one of the biggest ones where lots of diverse people go.
Speaker A:I don't particularly watch all of the talks admittedly, but I go for the social side and then we go to the dinner in the evening and I love that, I love that whole experience.
Speaker A:I'm a bit of a. Yeah, it's just the social side I go to.
Speaker A:But I love the big get togethers and there should be more of that.
Speaker A:Yeah, you don't really tend to.
Speaker A:And I really with the.
Speaker A:Sorry, I'm just saying you don't really get chance with the big conferences that are all crammed packed with speakers.
Speaker A:You need it at somewhere like Paramute where you can go to the bar next door.
Speaker B:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:And I think.
Speaker B:And to go out investigating with other people as well then than the people that you normally investigate with.
Speaker B:I just think when I've done that in the past, it's been such fun and it brings a new energy to what you're doing as well.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Which is really good.
Speaker B:How about you, Ash?
Speaker D:Yeah, for me, I mean for TikTok and for the podcast first time this year me and Greg actually sat down and written a list of goals what you actually want to achieve this year for the first time.
Speaker D:And that's something that.
Speaker D:So we can actually focus because I said there's so many things we want to do.
Speaker D:So many things.
Speaker D:I want to do so many things I've got going on with the UFO stuff as well.
Speaker D:I have to really just sort of like concentrate down to a list and then we'll work off this list rather than doing a million things.
Speaker D:I've got two documentary starting filming and editing.
Speaker D:Going out in March to film a documentary series for a week.
Speaker D:Got the second book that I started writing that needs to be out in the next six months.
Speaker D:We've got obviously all the tick tock stuff, all the podcast stuff.
Speaker D:So let's try to I guess focus and hit those goals that we've set ourselves because we grew massively more than we ever thought we would this year.
Speaker D:So just carrying, carrying on that and again the more social thing.
Speaker D:I only have a very base small circle of friends and know a lot of people online that I've met and talked to a lot online but not never met in person.
Speaker D:So it's just more.
Speaker D:Meet more people going to my events.
Speaker D:I didn't do very much for the conferences this year.
Speaker D:Just didn't get a chance with work and stuff like that.
Speaker D:They have to work a lot of weekends which doesn't help like every other Saturday pretty much.
Speaker D:It's, it's so it's hard to get because these things are usually out weekends so I can't always get them off and there's no one to really swap my shifts with.
Speaker D:So it's hard to even sort of swap my shifts around a lot of the time.
Speaker D:So just doing more.
Speaker D:Yeah, the more social things like UFO identify.
Speaker D:You have our monthly meetups.
Speaker D:They're going to be starting again in Manchester because they're great when we get a lot of people coming and there's like 16, 17 people coming and everyone's chatting and stuff and I just love that side of stuff.
Speaker D:So sort of, yeah, building up that social side of things again.
Speaker D:I think that brings the confidence as well.
Speaker D:It's been a big one for me, but yeah, lots to look forward to and I think we've all sort of got our sightset, what we want to achieve this year.
Speaker D:And I think, I think we will.
Speaker D:I think we're all gonna smash it.
Speaker D:We've all smashed it this year.
Speaker D:Do things that we've never done before, the talks in online talks, stuff like that.
Speaker D:And I think looking forward to doing more the same on that as well.
Speaker D:I mean, Greg have got between us probably three or four talks lined up already and then obviously there'll be more covered throughout the year as things get announced.
Speaker D:UK tour of going around and delivering talks and stuff like that.
Speaker D:Different UFO groups and paranormal groups of like I've got being being lined up, but yeah, so I guess we'll wrap up there.
Speaker D:Anyone's got any last thoughts?
Speaker B:Not really.
Speaker A:I was just gonna suggest off the back of the social thing, we all need to say, book ourselves into a big hotel like Bosworth hall one weekend.
Speaker A:We all do three nights and we say to everyone in the paranormal, we're all going to go and book this hotel this weekend.
Speaker A:We're all going to go out, out, out.
Speaker A:We're going to go and sit in the bar or we're going to go in the spa or we're going to like just like we did at festival, but all of us book on the same weekend and do a meet up.
Speaker A:No talkers or anything like no speakers, no paranormal obligation.
Speaker A:Just a big group of us getting together for the weekend.
Speaker B:That was good to me.
Speaker D:Definitely.
Speaker D:Awesome.
Speaker D:Well, Sarah, Michaela, thank you very much for coming back on the podcast.
Speaker D:Greg, as always.
Speaker D: Yeah, wish you all a great: Speaker D:And we will see you very soon.
Speaker A:Oh, yes, thanks for having us.
Speaker A:Bye.
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